ISPs are pressed to become child porn cops

Country First, then change...........

Socialism is already being crammed down the throats of American citizens. Take a look around and see how a government of the past 8 years has slowly been deceiving Americans as they've bought it all, hook, line, and sinker.

Obama and McCain will only carry out what another has put into play. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to think long and hard about just where they are and how they've already been deceived.

Getting rid of child porn is a noble cause. Child porn should not exist! Even if the tools mentioned in the article were to succeed, that alone would not get rid of child porn. Someone smarter would find a way to get around the government and ISP's.

I'm afraid that is the bottom line. The agenda to get rid of child porn would have been useless and violated certain Constitutional rights. Although a certain amount would have been intercepted befor someone introduced a way from being caught.

hey dipsh!t. did you see who just signed the bill? do you know the definition of the word socialism? most in this country who throw the word around do not.

That's  right.  I  have  yet  to  hear  the "all-knowing"  Obama  to  blame  anything  on  the  Clinton  years!

farenheit 451

I was thinking more in the lines of Orwell's "1984"

I had to google farenheit 451 as I'd never seen or read it.

You are right in most repects, but the FCC, FBI etc are blind they only see the law so innocent or not they get everybody - Don't trust the law - own it!

If only the some people had to pay taxes to send kids to public schools, then the public school system would get way worse .  You would create two different Americas, one poorly educated and one with all of the advantages. That isn't what you want, trust me. 

There needs to be more federal aid to public schools instead of the inequitable, property tax funding model that is currently in place. 

Selfish idiot! Your day of reconing is coming soon. Socialist my *SS! This is a term invented by the ecomomic "haves" as an excuse for depriving life necessities to the economic "have nots". Class warfare? You can COUNT on it!!! 

Don't put a political bull spin on this. It's really unwarrranted. You never mentioned what McCain's bill contained, if it exists on this issue. Bush signed an act to put more pressure on them to filter out the porn, NOT to implement this software. So stop with your Biden's my hero rant. You sound ridiculous.

We need to make sure as a public that the data mined from this type of software can't be used to get a warrant or used as trial evidence. Make it a waste of their time.

Problem is they're not near discreet enough when they 'investigate'. Yellow tape and crap surrounding your apartment and having your hard-drive ripped out and taken away is going to raise eyebrows.

They need to create a far more discreet way to investigate someone. People also need to be way more cooperative in investigations. Half of the time, when an investigation is embarrasing, it's because the cops had to get a warrant because you wouldn't let them search when they asked politely.

A simple search of your place can be explained to the public easily, just like a simple search of your car if you swayed on the road too much. (I was a little tired?)

However, a warranted search and seizure is far from discreet and that's when people's reputation gets ruined.

People need to relax a little bit on their rights and they'll keep them. But if we're always forcing the government to obtain warrants, we're going to eventually lose our right to privacy.

If people were more cooperative (the innocent people that is) it would be easier to notice the guilty and investigations would be less embarrassing.

Neighbor notices the search and you just explain you accidently got a virus that sent you spam porn. The cops leave and say nothing's wrong and it verifies it to the community.

That verses a forced search by the cops, yeah, you're not going to be able to brush that off with the neighbors.

I guess you've never been harassed by law enforcement before.  

Lee,

"People need to relax a little bit on their rights."

Are you stark raving insane?

Benjamin Franklin said it best.

"ANY SOCIETY THAT WOULD GIVE UP A LITTLE LIBERTY TO GAIN A LITTLE SECURITY WILL DESERVE NEITHER AND LOSE BOTH."

Just the sort of ignorant fearful nonsense I expect from most 'women' today (and yes, this hysteria seems to me to be female based) It is just so aggravating.  I swear women should be stripped of their political rights since they don't seem to care about theirs or anyone else's anyway.  You are also probably stupid enough to think (or, hypocritical enough) that the world used to be 'safer' for kids in the innocent 'good ol' days'  Well, if you watched 'That 70s Show' and ramped up by a factor of 5 what they where up to, you'd see the world I grew up in in small town central MN, complete with the drugs, the sex (all statutory rape by the way) the predators (two sisters, one of whom was in my catholic middle school homeroom, were abducted, raped and murdered the weekend of the first week my 7th grade year, 1974 - and the predator was never caught)  I could go thru any newspaper microfilm collection, or oral histories going back to the beginning of the 20th and find thesame thing.  I could read the horror stories of child abuse Dickens wrote about in his novels and on and on and on.  Child predation has ALWAYS existed and ALWAYS will.  It's just your stupid illusion that if we just wrap the world in intellectual bubblewrap your little spawn will be 'safe'.  Well, they won't and enacting an incipent police state won't make them safer, it will just make it easier for elites eventually to supress your attempts to protect your kids when they decide, say, child labor laws were a bad idea and let's stick 6 year olds back into mines and working on dangerous factory machinery for 12 hours a day 6 days a week.

I'm a little upset by your sexist attitude.  I have 5 children and I believe it is MY  job to be the parent, not the government's nor the school.  As a parent, it is My job to protect them. 

All this being said, I do believe that this is a smoke screen to blind everyone to the ramifications such a program on the internet would mean.  It IS a violation of every privacy law and definitely a violation of U.S. citizen's Constitutional rights. 

ALL laws in the U. S. are subject to interpretation by the judge in charge of the case.  It is a matter of who is behind that judge and what the interpretation is as to whether it is a bad thing or not. 

I do not want a "big brother" watching where I go and what I do on the internet.  Peeping toms are arrested and it is considered an illegal activity.  This is just like a peeping tom, but this tom gets to rifle through my things too, so add breaking and entering in.  

I'm a law student.  Thats what I want to go in to doing.  Law enforcement.  But now, with some of these things that are being instituted I have begun wondering if that is what I want to do really....do I want to have to violate the constitutional rights of individuals in the name of a law I do not believe in?  I think I will change to something where I can teach kids english somewhere else. 

Yes, child exploitation is something that has been going on for over a millenia.  It is the parent's job to protect their children.  This does not mean give up neither mine nor my children's constitutional rights. You are right in that this will not solve anything.  I believe it will cause more people more problems than they need or want. And most of these people will not be the ones that should have the problems nor are they the ones that are advocating or viewing the cp.  It will be those that are getting spammed or end up at sites they had no idea of the content.  That is what viewer discretion means.  That is what parenting is.  That is what parental monitoring is.  That is what it means to truly being a mommy or daddy...to be the one that changes the diapers, takes care of them they are sick, kiss the boo boos and keep a watchful eye on where they go and what they do.  This is how to protect your kids.  Not placing some damn program out there to try to do a cop's job.  This will not stop the pediphiles.  This will not stop the one's sending this stuff out.  This will only make it where the government has more ways to limit individual liberties, both for children and adults. 

Be an adult.  Be a parent.  Protect your own and your children's future constitional rights and individual liberties.  This is the United States.  Land of the FREE.  With laws such as this, how much longer will we truly be free? 

Funny, I don't recall in my post EVER stating I was FOR this policing by the government. I'm totally against it. I just stated that it was yet another way the government thinks they can teach people how to be moral citizens of society.

Wow, Tom, pretty ignorant post. I guess you've never been a victim of child molestation. Perpetrator, maybe? You sure do seem pretty against believing there is a right and wrong when it comes to molesting an innocent child....scary.

Comeonpeople ... I agree with your first. I went looking for the teeth and claws that this sort of thing will give the law enforcement people to reduce and or eliminate child predators from breathing free air and found none. I found, instead, the possibility of government intrusion into the very fabric of what makes this nation great -- The Right To Peaceably Assemble and etc., etc., etc.

There is just way too much temptation for abuse of individual civil liberties here.

I am Jeremiah Johnson and I believe we should tell them to come back when they find the "Bin Ladens" of the 'adult material' industry like they are supposed to be doing and we'll give them the money they need to put them in prison or whatever other punishment is due by society.

I think we are missing the whole gist of what this program involves in reality and what it might be used for... what it could be used for.

On the one hand, Government is stirring up the base to get laws passed so they can go after Child Predators. This is a good thing. No doubt about it.

On the other hand, this technology will allow government to read private mail, even mail that is encrypted. This is a bad thing.

People are willing to give up their right to privacy if it takes a child predator off the streets. This is the standard tactic of placing fear and trepidation into an equation to get laws like this passed. "If you don't pass this law, your child could be next", they say.

I read the article and no where in there amongst all those words does anyone say this will help them finally end child predation. They do say they will be able to read our mail and they do say they can block images at the ISP level.

Unfortunately, if they can block images at the ISP level they can also block messages saying "Vote For Barrack Obama for president in 2008" and the thousands of variations or make a list of people sending that message or receiving it. They could compile lists of people in favour of abortion or against abortion. They could re-kindle the Red-Scare of the 1950's and export it to the 21st century and raid the homes of anyone in favour of impeachment of an elected official.

That's kinda scary.

Did you report this man to the police? Why not? Oh, because he had not done anything wrong, or perhaps you don't want to accuse an innocent person of something they had not done yet. It's the same with this "file searching". The feds will be looking at thousands of innocent people, and silently accusing them with a "watch file" of their own.

This is not about your belief in God.  It's honestly not about your daughter, or your perceptions of what someone else is thinking about her.  It's about NOT giving up any more of OUR personal freedoms.  If you want your daughter to grow up with the same opportunities as you did, then you OWE IT to her to fight this type of encursion.  I will not have my children growing up in a police state because I was too scared to fight.  The government is using the issue of child porn to advance their own agenda - as wrong as child porn is, this is NOT the way to fight it.

The problem is, it won't stop there. It will go far beyond pornography, child or otherwise. You're giving people license to walk into your home and turn it upside down, for NO reason.

To Randy: If you honestly believe the government isn't already watching everything we do then I have a bridge to sell you.  There was a movie a few years back with Will Smith in which the government was able to monitor everything he did.  If you don't think this movie was based on reality then I have a WHOLE continent to sell you.  Thanks to the Patriot Act we have no civil liberties left. 

To Fratty:  This is about my belief in God and about my daughter.  She is the eldest of 4 and I don't want her to grow up in a police state, but I would prefer that to her being scared to walk down her own block because of rapists and who knows what else.  We are concerned about this, what about things like FaceBook and MySpace that children are putting their innocent pictures on the web and then getting upducted.  If we don't put a stop to it, then who will.  Do you really want to see one of your kids on the back of milk box and then wish you had done something.  It will be too late then.

To SteveN:  The reality is the government already has the right to walk into my home, turn it upside down and for NO reason.  Police, FBI and others can get court orders any time they want and search our houses, cars and whatever else they like.

The reality is, if you don't like it move.  We have already given total control of our lives to the government, we just don't see it on a daily basis.  We have taken what was started by our forefathers and poluted it and created a country that is a total MESS.

Uh oh STRANGER DANGER!  OH NO!    The reason your daughter is scared to walk to the bus stop is YOUR fault in telling her how dangerous the world is.  Its really not.   Why don't you just lock your kids in a secure room.  They won't know how to trust or interact with anyone anyway because you have them so scared of people.

Chris you are a moron.  I vaguely knew a girl, who, along with her sister, was abducted, raped and murdered when I was in the 7th grade (she was in my homeroom class) in central small town MN in 1974.  The parents then didn't goes as nutso as you almost did just because some guy 'looked' at your daughter.  And they never did catch the predator.  And, I don't remember kids being locked upfrom dusk to dawn, or driven EVERYWHERE by their parents, although I do remember there was some reporting in the papers and on TV for about a month or so.
The cold hard truth on child predation and abuse (which was as true in the 1950's when my father, as a social worker in central MN, investigated dozens of incest cases among the good upstanding religiuos rural folk, as it is today)  - the most likely predator/abuser is the parent/close relative/close family friend.  The smallest group of missing, murdered, abused, molested children is the stranger predator who accounts for less than 500 annually.  Or, around 1 precent of ALL the missing, abused, murdered, molested children.  The rest are the result of peoplelike YOU Chris - mom, dad, sibblings, uncles, aunts, close family friends, trusted known adults, etc...
Maybe YOU should be constantly monitored, since statistically, YOU are most likely to prey on your own daughter.

Chris from Phily

Take a deep breath and watch the kids at play ... I betcha you've more than once thought how nice it would be to be in their shoes again without the horrors of the world dragging you down each and every day.

I am Jeremiah Johnson and I believe in giving all the benefit of the doubt.

Chris from Philly: You are believing a fictional tv movie? I am still fighting for my rights. Oh yes, I agree our country is a total mess.

Tom-495906: You sound like you're still high on some of that stuff we smoked in the 70's, but what you said that makes real sense is the fact that most child abuse cases are actually committed by family members.

I don't care about the privacy as much as the accidental or mistaken matches. Privacy laws are a cop-out attempt to only hide illegal activity. If they were misusing what they found, that's the issue... not some ideal privacy. Eventually privacy laws won't be able to exist anymore, when it comes down to people actually using the cover of privacy to do deadly acts (terrorism, robbery, murder, war, etc) is growing on an exponential scale.

Here's the real problem. Imagine if your child did a search for their favorite child actress with 500 images per page. You get arrested for 100 attempts to access illegal images???

They probably will.

You must have something to hide. Our children are more importantthen your privicy, their not looking at your bank statements, they only want to keep the monsters away from our children. So go get your guns and hole yourself up somewhere where there is no internet. 

If you think the government is ONLY looking out for the welfare of our children, then you certainly are a lost cause.  You're the same type who would prefer they outlaw all guns, because people get shot, ignoring the fact that it's a criminal doing the shooting.  Taking away our freedoms will NOT make child pornography go away, it will only take away our freedoms. 

As for something to hide, maybe I do, maybe I don't - that's none of your business and CERTAINLY none of the government's business. 

This mantra of 'doing it for the sake of our children' sounds alot like Nazi Germany.