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Intimate lawsuits: From bedroom to courtroom

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A heartbreaking case in Los Angeles, where a woman is suing her former husband for giving her HIV, poses questions that could affect the way you approach your own sex life.

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{"commentId":3521669,"authorDomain":"silver163"}

I think such cases are hard to fight. I believe there is a level given to women in court cases that the judges sympathize with them more or whatnot. I remember there was a court case here filed by an ex wife seeking for monetary damages against her former husband as she had alleged he had given her also HIV but the interesting part was that it was the opposite way around, she had it and knew it. In fact there were medical records that showed she was tested postive for HIV virus but in the end she still won. It boggles my mind to this day.

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Reply#1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":3524431,"authorDomain":"estela"}

This kind of disparity in rulings from district courts around the country makes the issue "ripe" for Supreme Court review.  Thats the good news. The bad news is that THIS Supreme Court is very unlikely to assume a national posture that favors recovery for these types of injuries.  They are very much for tort reform and want to limit, not expand, causes of action.  I'm glad to see that at least one state has expanded the law to include "knew or should have known" about infection, and is prepared to award damages on this basis.

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    #1.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":3523083,"authorDomain":"meemeefranco"}

    Oh my.  How very, very sad.  As a health-care professional I see it from several fronts; that of protection and prevention, that of the patient and their well-being (both physically and psychologically), and as an advocate for my patient.  As a civilian and a divorced, 45 year old woman, I see it from a another perspective. 

    Dating has taken on a different dimension in this phase of my life.  Since my divorce I have practiced the safe-sex protocols.  I have myself tested every six months because I am sexually active and I let any partner I have am intimately involved of with my status.  But it's precarious out there.  You never know who you can trust.  I came of age in an era when the worst STI you could conceivably get was syphallis or gonorhhea.

    Since then a whole host of other diseases have come into focus.  I consider myself fortunate that when I was young and single I was fairly conservative in my extra curricular pursuits and had always been in  monogamous, protected relationships.  Now, as a more mature woman out on the dating scene again, things have changed.  Different rules, different approaches, and different expectations have come into play.  Not to mention on-line dating services where the less-than-honest post profiles. 

    My heart goes out to the couple invovled in this story.  My best advice as a healthcare professional is that you must be honest with your sexually predelictions with your partner.  If you are bi-sexual (or you have experimented), then you should disclose that to your respective partners.  Intimate personal relationships should leave no door unopened.  If someone is uncomfortable with your sexual past, they have that right.  No relationship, (no matter how casual or serious) is worth sustaining if you cannot be honest with the people you are with. 

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    Reply#2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":3525017,"authorDomain":"tfunken"}

    Sometimes I'm really sad that I don't have a sex partner, then I read something like this that makes me GLAD it's just me and Palm-ela...
    I like sex (at least I THINK I do, it's been so long) but It's sure as hell not worth dieing or getting sued over...

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      Reply#3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
      {"commentId":3525965,"authorDomain":"natalie-fl"}

      How awful, this woman's life is ruined thanks to her cheating husband, and no monetary award will ever change that.  Obviously, he knew that he was at risk for SOME type of STD if he was having unprotected sex with so many men.  What makes him think that men online are any less at risk of having an STD than any man he met on the street? These men were probably male prostitutes.  I don't condone cheating, but if you plan to cheat on your partner, protect yourself so neither you nor your partner get an STD.  It's about being responsible and considerate.  I am glad he is rightly being held responsible for this tragedy.  Poor woman; and yes, had the roles been reversed I'd be rooting for the victim as well.

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        Reply#4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
        {"commentId":3528782,"authorDomain":"wilberta"}

        I believe passing on any kind of STD...should be a criminal offense...I think if people are

        so lax they don't keep up on their health...they should be penalized

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        Reply#5 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
        {"commentId":3533996,"authorDomain":"dd50"}

        My teen daughter has had the Guardasil vaccine, but that does not cover ALL HPV viral strains, no protection from HIV.  Guardasil may be approved in winter for males, and my teen son will be getting that too.  Both kids will be in college in two years, and they've had vaccines for tetnus, meningitis too.  I think they are supposed to get measles boosters too. This story is sad, and worrisome on many levels.  Education and access to birth control/condoms help.  Condoms do NOT stop the spread of HPV.  Hopefully they will abstain, but if you have access to MySpace - well, I do, and it's not pretty.

        If teens are underage, and this happens, then their parents would be strictly liable in a lawsuit. Hope everyone has liability insurance.

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          Reply#6 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":3534394,"authorDomain":"s-bissell"}

          i agree. you must be held accountable for your actions. if you are going to be sleeping around, you must take action be aware of yourself.

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            Reply#7 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3534495,"authorDomain":"figboo2"}

            remember when most people waited till they got married before having sex and didn't screw around. didn't have much of a problem then. but of course now days that's not cool, we're more enlightened and gotta have it as much as possible, wouldn't want to be ridaculed or called prudish. but maybe if we quit acting like a bunch of horny teenagers and started acting and promoting sexual maturity and disapline we might not have to deal with these issues as much.

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              Reply#8 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3534535,"authorDomain":"s-bissell"}

              promoting the right kind of sexual maturity. this is when it comes to the way parents are raising kids.

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                #8.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
                {"commentId":3622613,"authorDomain":"jrock8"}

                just not as smart - what era did you grow up in? Are there people still alive during the era when others did not have sex until marriage? And, yes they were 13 and 14 when they got married. Come on.

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                  #8.2 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:10 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":3791700,"authorDomain":"PeanutSantiago"}

                  I'm far from being a kid....and there was plenty of sex outside of marriage back then.  The main difference was that the men fooled around much more than the so-called good women.  That meant that the husband was more likely to infect his wife than the other way around.  Nowadays, all that has happened is that the women are catching up sexually...and either sex can infect the other. 

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                    #8.3 - Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":3541024,"authorDomain":"partziuse"}

                    Meemus, I wish my "X" had been the woman you are.  Your honesty is a mirror on mine with anyone I have dated since my marriage.  Oh, how important that really is.  She was a health care professional without the honesty of relaying to me her concern the first time we had unprotected sex.  I had even offered protected sex, and it was said to be not necessary.  Then the bomb dropped and I was destroyed.  I felt the world had ended and saw only her as a partner, so, we married and I punished myself for 12 years.  This article is a hope for all those in similar situations.  I do hope more honesty comes out of this with others as well.  Thanks for yours...

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                      Reply#9 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":3541823,"authorDomain":"natalie-fl"}

                      What exactly happened, if you don't mind me asking? What kind of bomb? Pregnancy? I'm glad you finally got out of it if you felt punished by being with her, and it's a good thing you didn't get an STD, not all health care professionals are cautious and take the necessary protections when it comes to sex!

                      I would ask for an STD test in the future, I recommend this to everyone, this is what I ask of any partner I may potentially become sexually involved with, although in the case of the woman in this article, Bridget B., this would have not protected her as he got the STD AFTER they were married and she had placed her trust in him, rightly so, as her husband, but he violated that trust in return.

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                        #9.1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":3563004,"authorDomain":"halzmark11"}

                        Back in 1979, I was married and three months pregnant when I found out my airline pilot husband had been having numerous affairs when away on his trips, and for years before we were married.  Devastated, I filed for divorce; I miscarried before it was final.  I thought the extreme emotional distress had caused me to lose my baby.  After that awful time I didn't have coffee with a  man, much less have sex.

                        About a year later, my annual pelvic exam and tests revealed that I had Chlamydia.  At that time in medical history, that STD was in its infancy and barely had a name, much less any known cause, prevention or course of treatment.  Subsequent tests showed that at age 32 I was now sterile.  Devastation redux.  Back then, the law did not provide for a suit based on Chlamydia, as so little was known about it.  By the time one would have been allowed, my ex was protected by the statute of limitation.

                        All this changed my life dramatically. I was surprised at the number of men I dated over the years who dropped me cold after being asked to get tested for STDs before we had sex, and to wear a condom when we did.  The prevailing response was that since I knew I couldn't get pregnant, neither precaution was necessary.  During my childbearing years, I found that marriage-minded men didn't want a wife who couldn't have babies.  Their number included divorced and widowed men with children, who seemed to prefer women who had already "been there" with kids.  The worst indignity: Adoption laws of the time did not favor single parents.  As an adoptee myself, I understood that all too well.  By the time that mindset had evolved, I was in my 50s -- but I was considered too old to adopt and raise even an older child.  Alas, ageism is still with us.

                        I'm glad that modern-day law and science have provided more knowledge, alternatives and  legal recourses that can help women counteract the situations I faced.  There is no moral to my story, other than to suggest that both sexes need to insist on emotional honesty, integrity, monogamy and precautions in their intimate relationships.  In short: Think it all through soberly before you get it on with someone.  Just one lie or slip-up could have lifetime consequences.

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                          Reply#10 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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                          {"commentId":3622367,"authorDomain":"changeaddress2008"}

                          I think cheating in an assumed monogamous relationship is tantamount to attempted murder given the diseases out there now. Monogamous is monogamous and if one partner is unaware of the other's cheating, that partner is being unfairly and unethically exposed without permission. That should be a crime.

                          If people have open relationships and both are aware and willing, then they have to face the consequences squarely - in which case, it doesn't seem logical to allow a lawsuit. Only way to prove that one though would be some written agreement prior to relations.

                          The other part of the problem is that people can be exposed to certain STDs without sexual contact, i.e., blood transfusions and using tanning beds or hot tubs that aren't properly maintained. Boy that would open up a real can of worms and how would it be proven?

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                            Reply#11 - Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:36 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":3791922,"authorDomain":"PeanutSantiago"}

                            Like anything else, my answer is that it depends. **** If you are single, then you should expect that your partner will NOT be faithful and as long as he/she doesn't know about any diseases, should not be liable.  Marriage only should guarantee faithfulness.  **** After you marry, it should be expected that a "clean" spouse will stay clean and can be legally liable for passing on any STD's, knowingly or not.  **** If you do NOT know that you are infected at marriage, there also should be little or no liability.

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                              Reply#12 - Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":4284169,"authorDomain":"sbtu"}

                              are you joking?

                              did you know that in several countries in East Africa, married women is now the demographic group in which new cases of HIV are most prevalent? Literally, being a faithful married woman puts you the most at risk for HIV.

                              This is largely because abstinence and "be faithful" -only education suggests that the way to avoid an HIV infection is to simply be married and only have sex with your spouse.

                              while it is nice to imagine that most people will be faithful in marriage, it is not a guarantee; nothing is.

                              This is not, obviously, only a problem in East Africa, and I certainly hope that you don't think that is the point of this post. Faithfulness depends on the culture of faith (not in the religious but in the interpersonal sense), and in America, we are an increasingly individualistic people.

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                                #12.1 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:43 PM EST
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